Wonder Womans from left to right: Lynda Carter series (1975-1979), Young Justice and Justice League: Doom (2010-2013), Superfriends (1973- 1977), Modern age/ George Pérez reboot (1987- 2010, ended by Flashpoint), New 52 (2011-?), Golden Age/ original (1941), Late Gold, Early silver Age (1950s), Justice League/ Unlimited cartoon(2001-2006) Justice League: New Frontier (2008). Forgive the grammer errors, expecially in the Greek. It was three in the morning! xD
Also really don't care for the SM/WW relationship, but that's just the inner shipper in me and issues regarding what the hell is Lois supposed to do with herself now.
It's just the idea of using the image of Wonder Woman herself to attack a sister in name and image.. especially over petty things like a costume or physique..
If this was just calling out the absurdity of it, then.. I missed the point but that doesn't seem to be the case if your own comments are any indication.
I completely agree with you! This “new” Wonder Woman isn’t wonder woman at all! She’s got almost nothing of Wonder woman to her and is just a silly Thor/Herakles/Red Sonja/Conan/Sandman hack and slash that has taken ideas and storylines from different comics and TV shows and labeled it “new”, “original” and “Wonder Woman”! This is a pity as Brian Azzarello is a wonderful writer! I don’t know what happened when he took the helms of Wonder Woman! There’s no peace re love and the feminism is completely ripped out of Wonder Woman. The costume Diana wears is dark and depressing! It is clearly DC’s attempt at making her their Thor! I’m going to spare you my rants over New 52! I too am ashamed of the current state DC is in! They have no respect for their fans, women, or their history! It’s heartbreaking! There is a glimmer of hope though. I have heard a rumor New 52 may be ending in 2016. This is unofficial and may just be a hoax. But here’s hoping that the old DC Universes will return!
Aren't there laws against copyright infringement?
Superman has been butchered just as badly as Wonder Woman if in a different fashion. DC have killed of his parents in a misguided attempt to make him more dark and edgy (like Batman ), but they only managed to make a douchebag bully out of him that has lost all the charm of the classic Superman. So far this "new" Superman has been revisiting all the old storylines, only with worse writing and overall quality.
DC didn't even bother to truly reboot Batman and Green Lantern. They just took 20 years of history from the classic DCU and crammed them into 5 years. As a result, Batman has had 4 Robins (or 3 if you consider that Tim has never even been an official Robin) in barely 5 and Kyle Rayner is already a "multicolored Lantern" and an experienced hero when Hal Jordan has been active for barely 5 years.
The old fans will keep buying, hoping that the situation will improve, but when it doesn't and they start drifting away, DC will start launching Elseworlds stories again and AU graphic novels like Miller's Dark Knight Returns to keep them interested.
DC should have followed Marvel's example on this: continue the old classic DCU, while making the new52 into a parallel continuity like Marvel's Ultimate continuity.
One can only hope this New 52 nightmare will end! We females got the short (and sh*tty) end of the stick! I miss having interesting and complex female characters. Now we have raging murderous sluts who were either, male killers, child killers, child slave-traders, sex slaves, or even just prostitutes. It's great for the new readers they're reaching to, not for classic readers or future readers. It's not DC anymore.
Funny how the people who had a hand in the great comic crash in the 90s are employing the same tactics that almost damned the entire industry with Image and Marvel are now running DC. Harley a slutty Joker (seriously that new outfit and her origins being the same as the Jokers?!) Wonder Woman a bastard child of Zeus? The changes to Wonder Woman were made to "give her more villains" which is bull! She has plenty of villains!! (not including the usual villains post-crisis Diana has over 42 unused villains.) She’s lost all of her femininity. I love how bluntly one man put it,
“You’ve done everything to Wonder Woman but give her a penis!”
and I (who used to defend DC’s New 52 for a year and a half) have to agree. The dull new costume, her bastard Herakles origin, the brutal and hateful ways of the Amazons…. DC’s ruined their female characters including their most iconic and influential female of all! Did you know that their female readers went from 35% of sales to 9% in the first three months of the New 52? DC’s also only had two months where they actually did well since the relaunch: July and September 2013. Those of course were major gimmick months. -_- Basically all they did was push out the old readers and bring in new. There’s really no difference in sales overall. DC had one job; bring the characters to a new audience while keeping the old…. But they failed miserably and created a universe that kids can’t be a part of and cannot be censored to ease young readers into… they also had one thing Marvel didn’t… Wonder Woman the ultimate female icon… now they don’t have her anymore…. Amazing how six people can bring an entire company, thousands of fans, and thousands of heroes to their knees and ruin the reputation of an entire nearly hundred year old company….
Those who cannot live up to their predecessors only seek to destroy their history and make their own…
The discussion happens here: mahgol-dc-lover.deviantart.com… and the SMWW partisan is sithous.deviantart.com/
I was just curious about your opinion about this, since you are someone who actually understands the harm that the new52 has done to Diana.
Well in all honesty, New 52 DID do good by placing DC back in the public eye. HOWEVER Both Superman and Wonder Woman have been damaged heavily by the reboot. Superman was hit less hard but he had MoS to back him up. All Wonder woman has to sell is just her comics. Her classic incarnation is the only thing selling on her behalf. Superman's actually selling poorly compared to the beginning of the reboot. In fact his most popular book, "Superman: Unchained" was canceled recently. Superman is becoming notorious for being poorly written and a dochebag. In fact he's becoming one of the least popular DC heroes due to the poor writing and his aggressive and bitter personality. He does have a great selling title that New 52 has done wonders for! It's called "Adventures of Superman" and it is a preNew 52 title and it is selling out each month. It's more popular than the New 52 Superman solo series. Overall the New 52 put Superman back in the spotlight, shoving Batman to the side, but he has lost millions of fans and is suffering declining sales due to all the change and controversy.
Wonder Woman is a different matter entirely. In the first three months of the reboot she went from her New 52 debuted sales of 70K down to only 50K. This was a huge loss in sales. New 52 Wonder Woman does have a small cult following of GOW/Xena/Percy/Thor/Immortal fans. As you pointed out in your other comment she’s basically become a female Kratos. Wonder Woman has not had very successful sales compared to her preNew 52/Flashpoint/Odyssey story. She was selling between 40k-60k most of the time and usually had a bestselling book then. Now, Wonder Woman is barely hanging on to 32K and sales continue to decline. Many people who praise the book have never read Wonder woman until the relaunch and don’t grasp her character. They praise her ruthless behavior and her need to kill as a great move. However New 52 Wonder woman has been heavily slammed for the use of sexism and gender inequality within the New 52 series. There have also been numerous complaints about the use of violence and gore being to excessive. The costume also has damaged wonder woman’s overall sales because on average the New 52 costume does not sell. There’s also heavy confusion even amongst new 52 fans as to what of her old history has stayed. The lack of feminism in the New 52 series and the overhaul of male character forcing Diana on the backburner have also placed DC under fire. Many people have stated a variation of,
”DC has done everything to Wonder Woman but give her a penis!”
This is in many ways true. Wonder Woman has shed her compassion, warmth, promotion of peace and equality for a war-god persona. She’s ruthless and violent and many in the DC Universe feel she is a threat to society. Wonder woman is also considered by many to be the “girl-toy” of Superman as their relationship has not been written as loving, but lust and dominate. Overall wonder woman has been damaged severely by DC. Her new violent and sexual nature prevents them from making her kid-friendly. She also sells poorly in her new 52 version and most retailers have actually started to use the classic wonder woman on boxes to sell a New 52 Wonder Woman product. Comic sales on wonder woman are declining as is fan favor. The l0ong storyline, repetitive themes and all the reasons above are actually heading wonder woman down the path to a possible cancelation. Wonder woman has not sold 32K since 1980’s when the DC Universe was forced to reboot. Nightwing, recently canned for many reasons including low sales was and is selling at the sale-range as Wonder Woman. Overall, Wonder Woman has been damaged horribly by the New 52 and is at risk of becoming the “Clash” cliché that so many people are taking a dislike to. Ion her current state, Wonder Woman cannot expand beyond the realm of the New 52 and will eventually need to be reverted back to a more classical incarnation or canned. Her sales are on a rapid decline and even with a heavy male-audience (the audience DC’s new executives wanted her to have) DC will lose Wonder Woman in time if they don’t bring her classic version back.
Would they put Batman in a pink costume with no cowl? Would they take the alien origin from Superman? Would they take the orange and green off Aquaman? Would they stop Green Lantern from adventuring in space? No. But they would remove all those elements sacred to Wonder Woman. In time this new Wonder Woman will either be reverted back to her classic incarnation or due as a result of the new limited universe Brian has established. I will say this, had DC used Brian’s ideas to create a new character, the New 52 Wonder Woman as a separate entity from Wonder Woman, she’d be a success. But because so much of wonder woman was canned, lost, and changed she’s a new character and will not stand the test of time. She’s what’s “popular” here and now. Five years from now she’ll be a dated dud. It’s only a matter of time before both Superman and Wonder Woman get some reverting or they may have to stop publication. It’s the sad truth. What’s been done at DC and to its characters was the same thing that bankrupted MARVEL in the 90’s and caused it to be bought up by Disney. Funny thing is, many people involved with that fiasco now are heading DC…. Hmmm…..
You also make an interesting point about Wonder Woman not being kid-friendly anymore. Unfortunately that's a tendency that has been discreetly growing in comics since the popularization of mangas. DC and Marvel both made the error I believe to give up on the younger audience instead of trying to reconquer them. This is linked to another thing that has been missing in DC's new52 in my opinion: an actual Multiverse (that DC did promise to bring to life when they started this reboot).
Imagine the possibilities. Instead of concentrating all their efforts on a single continuity, which has become extremely confusing due to the lack of coordination between the many authors, DC could have made several active continuities, all targeted at different audiences: one for children, one for teens, one for "mature" readers (with sex and gore ) and so on...
Of course rating wouldn't have been the only difference. Origin stories, pairings, ambiance (dark, humor, supernatural, sci-fi), themes (heroism, friendship, romance, murder, conspiracy), settings (modern, futuristic, medieval) are all things that DC could have played and experimented with. I think that could have been a good idea to appeal to a wider audience. Of course that implies that DC want to sell their products to as many people as possible...
I agree with you! The costume is too dark and un-American, which according to some sources was the intention. The truth behind that I don't know. I grew up with every incarnation of Wonder Woman: from the original comics, to the Lynda Carter's series, to the Justice League cartoon. I've loved every adaption up until the New 52. It is true DC was hitting lower than usual sales due to poor management and editorial issues. They announced in 2010 that they were relaunching their titles from issue one, basically retelling the history of the past twenty-plus years. But somewhere along in the process, DC jumped into a full reboot, changing everything. Diana has been one of the biggest victims of this event. She's become a violent blood-thirsty thug with a bad attitude who often needs aid from men to save her from her hot-headed ways. The Amazons have become child-slave traders and murderers. The gods that once were the backbone of Diana's powers and faith are no her chief enemies. Diana's sacred origin from clay was also removed, the equivalent of taking Krypton way from Superman. She's no longer about peace. She is now as of Wonder Woman #23, the new god of war after killing Ares. The suit is not the only problem with this new incarnation. The staff working on her openly dislike her and never wanted to be assigned Diana's book. :/ So they've flip-flopped her into polar opposite being. Her sales are horrendous right now, lower than they've been in thirty years. The idea of the New 52 was to increase interest in DC and increase their sales. It worked for a little while. However all the changes and constant cancellation of books, over-spending company funds, employees quitting every few months, and the CEOs of DC making rather unflattering remarks and comments about their consumers, DC's sales are tanking. The New 52 served its purpose but now it’s losing its freshness. Too many traditional fans have left DC and many of the new readers have grown bored with the flashy gimmicks and "edgy" storylines. There's also a ridiculously harsh "fan-war" between New 52 lovers and haters that is tearing DC's fan base in two! Sales keep decreasing on all but Superman and Batman titles, a total of six books. DC is losing roughly $8 million a month compared to what they used to lose when the "had" to reboot. The whole thing is a mess. DC needed more creative freedom and better advertising. The universe and Diana weren't broken. I agree with that saying 100%! Wonder Woman wasn't the CEOs favorite character so they didn't advertise her book. Now she IS broken nod DC continues to let the team that broke her keep doing so. It's sad really!!
Sorry for the rant friend. It’s just frustrating watching all this happen to a character and company I’ve loved all my life.
No the MoS is not based on the Nu52. It was loosely based on the New Earth storylines and origins pieced together with Hollywood twist. lol! People only say that because the shorts were removed. But that was a last minute change no one’s sure why it occurred. As for Diana’s cancellation, that’s iffy. The people working on her new series don’t like her at all and the CEOs could care less if they have to publish her or not. :/ Plus DC just cancelled Legion of Superheroes and Hawkman, which never happened before. So that says no one is safe… I hope for a Wonder Woman film too! But Nu52 would be a horrible basis for a film… plus Diana axing through gods, mortals and monsters covering herself in blood and guts won’t get the PG-13 rating DC wants… right now we just have to wait and see what DC will do. They’re a mess right now… :